Friday, November 4, 2011

Hamlet Act 2 Fishbowl

117 comments:

  1. Class: Do you think Hamlet and Ophelia will end up together or will his insanity continue to destroy thier relationship?

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  2. Alexa, I think they will end up together but many people will confront Hamlet and try and not let it happen. But in the end Hamlet will get through all that trouble and end up with Ophelia.

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  3. Alexa: I think that his insanity will have an effect on their relationship but I don't think it will destroy it completely. I think that they will have to get through her father before they can really be together.

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  4. Class: We talked about the motif of hands and ears in act one. How do we see these motifs in act two?

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  5. Alexa: I think that Hamlet and Ophelia will possibly end up together, but if they do not, I think it is going to be more of a result of their risky relationship, as they are of different classes, and their relationship is somewhat banned because of this. I think that his insanity could play a part, but might not be quite as relevant.

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  6. Alexa: Based on what we know about Shakespeare and his treatment of women in his plays, I don't think they will end up together. Ophelia is too "weak" to confront her father and do what she truly wants. I think despite her and Hamlet's desires, they will not end up together out of her weakness. I also think his insanity will play a major role and give her another excuse to not stand up to her father.

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  7. Katy: I agree that the father is a main barrier. Do you think it will even be possible to get through him?

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  8. Alexa: I have a feeling hamlet will have such a vendetta against Claudius that most of his relationships will suffer if not end all together, due to his lack of attention for everything else.

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  9. Katy: So do you think they will be able to get through her father, or will this be an obstacle they are not able to cross? Do you think that Hamlet has the energy/time to work on this relationship with all of the other things going on in his life that are leading to this "insanity" that Alexa is talking about?

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  10. Alexa: Remember this is a tragedy, and in tragedy's, no one ends up happy. It is most likely they will both end up dead, just because that is the way Shakespeare wrote his plays. There will be no happily ever after, but that is just my pessimistic opinion.

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  11. Alexa, I don't think it will be possible to get through to him. I feel like he has a power drive and won't let anything happen that is not normal in society such as Ophelia marrying Hamlet.

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  12. Kinsey: One of the motifs that I see is confusion and uncertainty. Now that Hamlet has started acting strange toward Ophelia, he is not the only one who is suspicious of someone and trying to figure out the truth. Ophelia also tells her father and then the King and Queen notice differences in Hamlet. Everyone is very unclear about what is actually going on and can't decide what to do.

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  13. Alexa: Based on the class situation, I don't think they really can convince him of anything. He would have to realize for himself that they actually love each other and want to be together. But I don't know how much she wants to be with him after his insane act though.

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  14. Alexa: I agree with what Kinsey had said. I don't think that Ophelia has enough will power to over come all of the things that are going on around her. She broke down in tears and went to her dad when Hamlet confronted her. I also think that like we had answer in the act 1 big question, Ophelia is still young so she still follows her father's orders.

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  15. Jaden: That is not necessarily a pessimistic view, it is realistic considering the definition of a Shakespearean tragedy. I don't think there is a single tragedy where everyone doesn't die. This is a great point, so even if they do end up together, they will both die.

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  16. Kylie: I don't think he is worrying about the relationship right now. I don't think that it's a big part of the story right now. Hamlet is more focused on the problem that has been placed in front of him.

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  17. Alexa: I think that Hamlet and Ophelia will be together sometime, there will be problems in the relationship because of Hamlet's insanity, and I think that something bad will happen to either Hamlet or Ophelia when they get together.

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  18. Class: We talked about how Horatio is the last person that Hamlet trusted and that is still on Hamlets side. Do you think this will change and Hamlet will be alone, or do you think Horatio will remain with him until his demise?

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  19. Jaden:What leads you to think that both of them will end up dead? Are you referencing Romeo and Juliet? Or is there a part of the text that leads you to think this might be the fate of both Ophelia and Hamlet?

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  20. Class: Hamlet is acting crazy and putting on this play to try and find prof that Claudius killed his father. Do you think, if hamlet dose get his prof, he will be sure enough to decide to kill his uncle?

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  21. Kinsey: In Act one hands and ears do play a big role but I don't notice them as much they seem to disappear all together in both scenes and there certainly seems to be a motif of paranoia in the act. It seems that very few people if any know who to trust.

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  22. Class: In act one Horatio and Marcellus saw the ghost talking to Hamlet and the ghost made them swear not to tell anyone what they have seen. they did not show up in act two but do you think they will play a role later in the play?

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  23. Alexa: I think that Horatio will remain with Hamlet because he doesn't have anything else. Without Horatio, he has absolutely nothing so I think Horatio will be loyal enough to stay with him.

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  24. Kylie: That is just a quality of a Shakespearean tragedy. In a tragedy, the main character always dies and most "minor" characters die as well.

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  25. Alexa: I feel that they will never be together, I think that Hamlet will be so engulfed with revenge that it will ultimately drive Hamlet mad and I feel that because of this reason they will never be together again.

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  26. Joe: Horatio will because he is Hamlet's best friend and he is all Hamlet has left so I do believe Horatio will play a role later.

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  27. Alexa: I think that Hamlet will self destruct and therefore ruin his relationship with Horatio. I think Hamlet will convince himself to not trust Horatio because everyone else has betrayed him.

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  28. Alexa, I think that Hamlet will end up being alone. I think Hamlet will have to experience the worst because that is part of a hero's journey. Horatio will leave Hamlet and than I feel Hamlet will have to make a huge decision on his own without any help from someone else.

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  29. Kylie: Hamlet wishes to kill Claudius. If he does, then he will realize his life is now meaningless because he fulfilled his promise to his father and will now go to hell no matter what because he killed a man. If he fails, his uncle will kill him in defense. Ophelia may not die, but they will not end up happy together.

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  30. Joe: I think they must play a role later in the play otherwise they would not make such a big deal about swearing in act one.
    Class: How much of the interaction with the ghost in act one do you think Horatio and Marcellus heard?

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  31. Alexa: I think that Horatio will stay loyal to Hamlet because in Scene one of this act Hamlet tells him about the ghost and Horatio swears not to say anything of it.

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  32. Sam: I don't think that Hamlet would kill his uncle because he probably don't have enough power to kill him. Hamlet to me seem still too weak to be able to kill his uncle but I think further into the story Hamlet will be more likely to kill him when he has more strength.

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  33. Sam; I have a feeling that Hamlet will become so emotionally involved in this idea of killing Claudius that he will go ahead and kill Claudius. He may not even think of what will happen afterwards or the consequences there in, until after he has murdered Claudius. The entire political state is in flux just because of the stresses on the country and on the rulers.

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  34. Joe: I think they will definitely show up later on in the play because Horatio is the only one that is still “with” Hamlet he is the only one Hamlet trusts. I feel that he will play a big role later on in the play, and Hamlet will fall back onto Horatio for support and comfort.

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  35. Joe: I think they will eventually play another main part in the story because they have such a big secret on their hands. I'm certain Horatio will because he is one of Hamlet's very best and closest friends.

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  36. Ngoc, where will Hamlet get this strength from to kill Claudius?

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  37. Sam, i think that if Claudius does show any signs of irritability, this is just showing Hamlet that he is indeed the killer. I don't think this is necessarily a way to decide weather he is going to kill his uncle or not, it is almost just a starting place.

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  38. Kinsey: I think they heard all of it because Hamlet wouldn't have made such a big deal about swearing to not tell anyone.

    Class: Do you think Marcellus and Horatio will tell anyone? What might happen is they do?

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  39. Joe: Due to the fact that Horatio and Marcellus are the only others who know of Hamlet's plight and so Hamlet may very well use them later in the play to help him kill Claudius.

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  40. Alexa: Horatio will stay loyal to Hamlet, but something will cause Hamlet to loose his only remaining friend. This will cause Hamlet to loose his last support and he will descend into true insanity.

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  41. Kinsey: I almost feel like they did not hear anything during the time that the ghost was around. I think that perhaps Hamlet is the only one able to hear exactly what the ghost is saying, because we are told that the ghost is of his father, and he is the only one who necessarily needs to hear what he has to say. So I think that Horatio and Marcellus do know that he was there, and could perhaps have heard him saying something, but I don't think they were able to comprehend what he was saying.

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  42. Joe: I think that Horatio will play a role in the next chapters since he is Hamlet's best friend. We also talked about how Hamlet is now alone and that the only person he has let is Horatio so I think he will play a big role in later chapters.

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  43. Sam: I believe that Hamlet will kill his uncle. I am basing this off the journey of a hero because he has already gone through the innocence stage where he had no idea about his father's murder and his mother's marriage until he arrives home to find everything has changed. The next step would be his initiation of killing his uncle.

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  44. Class: Hamlet says "O what a rogue and peasant slave am I" at the beginning of his soliloquies. What is he trying to say?

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  45. Class: how do you think that Hamlets inaction compared to other peoples action will affect his ability to kill claudius? Do you think that more people will be harmed than necessary due to Hamlets procrastination?

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  46. Katy R, I think Marcellus and Horatio will let out the information. When this happens everyone will turn against Hamlet and Hamlet will be emotionally crushed and I feel Hamlet will be faced with an ultimatum of some sort.

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  47. Alexa: We have seen a theme of abandonment regarding Hamlet. His father abandoned him by dying, his mother abandoned him by marrying his uncle so quickly, Ophelia abandoned him by refusing his love so suddenly, and his friends abandoned him by trying to get in good graces with the King and Queen. I think part of the tragedy is that he is abandoned by everyone and is completely alone. Remember his line in act one "now I am alone." I think this means that he will be abandoned by everyone.

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  48. Katy: I do not think that Horatio or Marcellus will say anything about the ghost, because from what we know, they don't know very specifically what was said by the ghost, so currently they would not have much to tell. If they were to tell someone they might also risk others thinking that he is crazy.

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  49. Mitch: maybe he is relating to how little power he possess in the terrible situation he is in. he knows that his actions will determine the future of denmark and that is a lot for him to carry on his shoulders.

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  50. Class: Do you think that Horatio will stop Hamlet from killing the king? Because he doesn't want his friend to end up in hell for doing something so sinful like murder.

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  51. Sam: I feel that even if Hamlet does fine definite proof that his uncle killed his father, he will not be all ready to kill him right away. I feel that if he can confirm that his uncle killed his father Hamlet will be launched even farther into the downward spiral into craziness. I think that Hamlet wants to find proof but he doesn’t want it to be true, I think that he doesn’t want to have to kill his uncle.

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  52. Kinsey: I think that Horatio and Marcellus have a problem of their own and where their loyalty lies. Does it lie with the "Crown" and who wears it? or Does it lie with the Rightful King. So these two have their own dilema to deal with. But in that would they tell Claudius or not even if they are loyal to him?

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  53. Mitch: Well, rogue means a dishonest, knavish person. So maybe he feels like he is a slave to Claudius and because he doesn't know whether he should kill Claudius to avenge his fathers death he may feel like a bad person.

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  54. Katy: I disagree. I think they couldn't understand him. I agree with more of what Kylie said how they could hear him, but couldn't comprehend what he was saying.

    Kylie: I think that they couldn't hear him, but Hamlet was so afraid that they did that he forced them to swear. I think he was scared and over reacted and made them swear because he felt guilty. Do you agree?

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  55. Katy: I think that again, because this is a tragedy, they will tell, putting Hamlet in an even more difficult spot. I think Marcellus will tell and therefore Hamlet will believe that Horatio told about what the ghost said as well, which would lead to Hamlet not trusting his only friend. Therefore Hamlet will be completely alone. I think that once he feels he can not trust one person, he will have the strength to kill the king.

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  56. Kinsey: So do you think Horatio's loyalty to the King and Queen will cause him to abandon Hamlet? Where his respect from the King and Queen becomes more important than his friendship with Hamlet.

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  57. Class: Going off my last question, if Haratio Marcellus play a role later, do you think it will be positive influence for hamlet or bad one for him?

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  58. Conor: I think that you have a great point, Hamlet continually procrastinates his fathers murder. While he is waiting to decide, the Claudius is gaining more power and trust with his people, and at the same time Hamlet is losing respect because of the claims of his insanity. If Hamlet does decide to kill his uncle he needs to do it fast

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  59. Conor: I think Hamlet's procrastination will lead to a very unorganized killing because he will end up having to do it quickly. Others are also going to find out that it was Hamlet who did it because I don't believe he is going to be careful in covering up the murder.

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  60. Kinsey: Yes I do agree with you. I think that is exactly why he made them swear. It was his self-conscience causing him to worry about what they may have or may not have heard, and this was the reason that he made them swear.

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  61. Connor: That is an excellent question. I agree. I think that more bloodshed will happen than is necessary because of his inaction. I think he will end up panicking and maybe attempting to kill him in a public place, and out of his panic he may miss his target. Also, when someone is so passionate about something, they can tend to be sloppy.I think a few innocent people may serve as collateral damage.

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  62. Joe, I think Horatio's role with Hamlet will be a positive influence. Horatio may end up being the savior that sways Hamlet in the right direction in life.

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  63. Joe: I think, because it is a tragedy, that they will turn against him so it will become a bad influence in his life. I just have a feeling that they will be straw that breaks the camel's back and once they turn from Hamlet, everything will come crashing down.

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  64. ConorM and Mitch: I think that Hamlet is to involved in revenge to think about how the entire country might be effected.

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  65. Joe: Yes, I think they will show up later in the play, one because Horatio and Hamlet are such good friends, and the ghost was such a big deal in Act 1.

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  66. Ngoc: I think that there is meaning in the fact that Hamlet only has one friend left but because this play is a tragedy, I think Horatio will betray Hamlet in the end. Before the murder Horatio might try to talk Hamlet out of it but once he is unsuccessful then Horatio will only see him as a sinner and a murderer and possibly will tell everyone after the fact that Hamlet is the one responsible.

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  67. Joe: From what we have read so far we can't really see if Horatio will be a bad or good influence on him. I think that Horatio probably might try to help Hamlet but Hamlet won't see that and feel he is being betrayed instead.

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  68. Kylie: I think with what Horatio knows its a bit of a stretch to say that he is truly loyal to the king and queen considering he was away with hamlet at school when this all took place and learning that the current king is an upsurper might not sit well with someone who may have adored the old king. And to that he may not respect the queen since she is sleeping with her husbands murderer. So I feel that Horatio is a wild card deending on how he views Claudius.

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  69. Andrew: I agree with you, as he has not mentioned the fate of his country at all (as far as what I remember) in these past two scenes. If he was actually concerned about his country I think that we would have heard this during one of the monologues when he is alone.

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  70. Kylie: I do think that his loyalty to the King and Queen will cause him to abandon Hamlet. Since Hamlet is acting crazy, I think Horatio may argue that it is for Hamlet's own good to be left alone and not bothered by people. What do you think?

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  71. Class, during Act 2 the word fishmonger is said. I was just wondering what that might mean in the context of the play?

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  72. NgocN: I feel that Horatio will do nothing about he pending murder. I feel that Hamlet will not even tell Horatio about his plan, so I feel that Horatio will not be able to do anything about this.

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  73. Class: In the inner circle they are talking about Hamlet's trust issues. Where do you see his trust issues in this act and this play and how do you think it will affect his actions later on?

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  74. Joe: I think that Haratio will in fact turn out to help Hamlet in the end. He is one of Hamlets only friends and eventually Hamlet is going to have to talk to someone regarding his situation. If Hamlet does tell Haratio, he will take one of two roads; Haratio will either believe Hamlet and be a moral support in his time of need or Haratio will confirm to the kingdom that Hamlet is insane, thus ruining any of Hamlets credibility and leaving Hamlet with virtually nobody there for him

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  75. Kylie: I do feel that Horatio will be the voice of reason to Hamlet. However, Hamlet will loose Horatio because he will neglect the warnings of his last friend.

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  76. Kinsey: Well, he does have trust issues with Claudius now that he knows he killed his father then 2 weeks later, married his mother.

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  77. Andrew: I see what you mean but Horatio is Hamlet's best friend and Horatio knows that Hamlet will be acting weird after he saw that ghost. So I think that Horatio probably has an idea of what might be going on.

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  78. Class: What are your thoughts about Hamlets as a hero. In act one we had speculation about his heroic qualities, has this opinion changed in act two?

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  79. Kinsey: So I think that the reason you stated, could possibly encourage him to abandon Hamlet. But I think this would indicate that they did not have as strong of a friendship as first perceived, because if they were stronger he would stay with him throughout the rough obstacles that Hamlet faces.

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  80. Kinsey: Hamlet has problems. But with who is the question we know he cant tell the King, Queen or Polonius but does he trust Horatio or Marcellus considering he had them swear on his sword that they wouldn't tell wat happened so do we think he trust those two?

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  81. Kinsey: I think he has a major trust issue that it might cause problems in the future. He probably think that he will think that everyone has betrayed him even though they are actually trying to help him.

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  82. Jack: By calling Polonius a fishmonger, he is just trying to act crazy and not recognize him. It also serves as an insult since Polonius is so noble and Hamlet mistakes him for a common worker.

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  84. Kinsey: I think his trust issues will completely isolate him from anyone else. It will make him very lonely and make his life a lot harder. It could also help him because there are not many people that can be trusted in his life right now. Is it better to trust everyone, or trust no one??

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  85. Kinsey: There do seem to be some remarks in the "crazy rantings" that seem to be very pointed and calculated against polonius.

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  86. Jackb: the word "Fishmonger" is used in this dialect as an insult. Because he is talking to Polonius, who he believes to have ruined his and Ophilia's relationship, this is an insult towards polonius. He is saying that Polonius is very low man for convincing Ophilia to dump Hamlet.

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  87. Mitch: Hamlet is starting to enter the chaos stage. But he wont fully be there until he makes a decision about killing Claudius but I do believe that he will kill Claudius and during that period of time it will be full blown chaos.

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  88. MitchB, Hamlet in my eyes is not a hero or does he posses any heroic qualities. Hamlet is weak because he is emotionally unstable. I am not putting him in the hero category.

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  89. Kinsey: I think he has trust problems which might also lead back to ruining Hamlet and Ophelia's relationship or even Hamlet and Horatio's relationship.

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  90. Class: As they just said in the middle circle, how perhaps Hamlet's mother did need someone to help her lead, do you think this justifies her marriage to Claudius? Do you feel that this marriage was her decision?

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  91. Katy: After the death of Claudius, Hamlets world will crumble. It could be in any matter of ways, such as Hamlet committing suicide, Fortinbras actually attacking, or Hamlet becoming drunk with the power granted by murder.

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  92. Mitch: I do not think that Hamlet is a Hero, so far the only Hamlet we have seen has been a coward. He has taken no action to avenge his father and he is a coward. I feel like he fits a few of the qualities but only one or to at the most. Not enough to portray him as a Hero

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  93. Kylie: Hamlet's mother probably didn't really have a choice because there is a kingdom that she has to rule over but Hamlet is still too young to do it himself, so being a mother she thought it probably would be better to just marry someone else who care for the country till Hamlet is able to do it himself.

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  94. Class: Connor just brought up a very good poin in the middle circle. Do you guys think that Gertrude was in on the murder?

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  95. Kylie: I feel that Claudius and Gertrude probably were trying to be together long before the king died. It's kind of like Macbeth in their plan to kill the king except that Gertrude and Claudius, weren't married when they planned it. So this could be a common theme of Shakespeare

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  96. Kylie, I believe the only reason Hamlet's mother married Claudius was to keep her high honor. If she didn't marry Claudius she would be on the streets since she wouldn't know what to do since she had been married to King Hamlet. So it really wasn't her decision.

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  97. Connor: I think that Hamlets inaction will lead to his downfall. He will kill the king but it will be to late and it will cause the tragic end and lead to the downfall of most of the characters.

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  98. Ngoc: So you do think that there were motives there made by Gertrude to help her son?

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  99. Kylie2013: I think that Gertrude was in a time of denial and therefore married Claudius. However, in the last fishbowl we discussed that Claudius actually feels strongly about Hamlet's mother and does love her, or atleast his words towards her are expressed as compassionate. I think that Claudius had feelings for Gertrude before the king died, and that was a plus for Claudius in murdering the king.

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  100. Kylie: I kind of agree with Maddie because of Shakespeare's view on women. Also, if her husband just died, why would she all of the sudden marry his brother?

    Class: Is the fact that Gertrude married her dead husbands brother, two weeks after her husband died another example of Shakespeare's view on women, showing a negative side on how a woman would act in that situation?

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  101. Kylie: I do not think that the Queen needing help to rule was an excuse for her marriage. If she really needed that I'm sure that Claudius could have been that for her but not as her husband. Then Hamlet could also have come back to her and they could have ruled as a family. I don't think that was an actual option, however, because Shakespeare portrays women as ignorant so she probably saw nothing strange in the fact that her brother in law wanted to marry her and only looked at the option of having a king for Denmark.

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  102. Alexa: That is a tricky question that I think Hamlet is faced with right now in the play. If he trusts everyone, then he gets lied to and never knows the real truth, but if he trusts everyone, he might not care or realize that he is being lied to. But if he doesn't trust anyone, he might push away the people who are actually trustworthy and he can rely on. I personally believe that it is better to be trusting unless the trust is broken. What do you think?

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  103. Alexa, I don't think Gertrude was in on the murder. That wouldn't help her in any way with her position in life unless she didn't like King Hamlet. But I don't think that is the case.

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  104. MollyB: Good point. So along with that Gertrude may have gained a sort of love for Claudius after they became married and King Hamlet did die because of Claudius' strong love for her. Do you agree?

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  105. Kylie: Hamlets mother may not be the most direct link to the throne. If the Old Hamlet was King by Birth, then some people could think that Claudius is a better match to the throne because of his blood. This way, Hamlet and his mother remain in power and the country is united by everyone being happy (except of course Old Hamlet and Hamlet)

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  106. Katy: I definitely think this is a comment on women. I think Shakespeare uses that to show how women are weak and powerless. I think he is saying that women have no will and no morals and will marry whoever is available.

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  107. Class: Rosencrantz and Guildenstern were Hamlets best friends and they betrayed him by visiting him to spy on him for the king. Do you think that Horatio would be as willing to betray hamlet as the two mentioned above?

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  108. kyliel:I feel like there is something more to the marriage. The king remembers that they were always flirting with each other and he never noticed. I think they married out of love. I would even go as far to say that they might have been having an affair with each other previous to the kings death. I feel like the marriage was out of love, not a practical motive like that she needed help to lead. Shakespeare would not put a women in a position of power like a ruler of a country so I think it was not the reason for the marriage. I do believe that she did play a big role in the decision of marriage, i feel that she loves Claudius.

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  109. Class: In the inner circle they are discussing the competition between Claudius and the old king Hamlet. Where else do we see competition in the play? Do you think there is a competition for Gertrude's attention?

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  110. Kylie: I think there was some motives of helping her son but I also think that there might be other reason why she married. I think that she probably has some secrets that has not been revealed yet.

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  111. Alexa: I really don't think that Gertrude was in on the murder, first I don't think that Shakespeare would give a woman that much power. Second I think that it would have revealed that portion of the story. I believe that Gertrude was originally in love with King Hamlet, but fell out of love and fell of Claudius. So when King Hamlet passed away it wasn't such a big deal to remarry so fast.

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  112. Conor: I think it's possible that Horatio might also betray Hamlet especially if he is bribed.

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  113. Alexa: if Gertrude was in on the murder then why would king hamlet not want the queen to be harmed? you could say that he wouldn't know about Gertrude's betrayal but he is a ghost and he can see what is happening. what do you think?

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  114. Kyliel2013: I do not necessarily think that King Hamlet died because of Claudius's strong love for Gertrude. I think his motive was gaining power, but I think a part of him also wanted to be with Gertrude and was just a plus to killing the king.

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  115. Conor: Yes I think that Horatio will betray Hamlet. Horatio has very important knowledge of what the ghost said to Hamlet and what Hamlet plans to do. When Hamlet does kill his uncle I think that Horatio will turn him in as the murderer therefore leading to the defeat of Hamlet.

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  116. Mitch: Recall all the power that Lady Macbeth had over her husband. I don't think you could have more power than that, and she was in one of Shakespeare plays.

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  117. Mitch: I don't think that it is love that caused Gertrude to remarry. i believe it is power. Why would Gertrude stay a widow king when she could have a king to help her rule? Having Claudius be king gives her and Claudius more power.

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