tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post4568425395334138046..comments2013-01-31T23:49:01.906-07:00Comments on Smith English Lit 11-12: Hamlet Act 2 Fishbowlanneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00573450327737964454noreply@blogger.comBlogger117125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-3545195761853923872011-11-04T08:20:40.981-06:002011-11-04T08:20:40.981-06:00Mitch: I don't think that it is love that caus...Mitch: I don't think that it is love that caused Gertrude to remarry. i believe it is power. Why would Gertrude stay a widow king when she could have a king to help her rule? Having Claudius be king gives her and Claudius more power.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-38527222037965333442011-11-04T08:19:18.515-06:002011-11-04T08:19:18.515-06:00Mitch: Recall all the power that Lady Macbeth had ...Mitch: Recall all the power that Lady Macbeth had over her husband. I don't think you could have more power than that, and she was in one of Shakespeare plays.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-8957302325353619162011-11-04T08:18:34.698-06:002011-11-04T08:18:34.698-06:00Conor: Yes I think that Horatio will betray Hamlet...Conor: Yes I think that Horatio will betray Hamlet. Horatio has very important knowledge of what the ghost said to Hamlet and what Hamlet plans to do. When Hamlet does kill his uncle I think that Horatio will turn him in as the murderer therefore leading to the defeat of Hamlet.annaqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14695051610203941630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-92031153609106134782011-11-04T08:18:12.094-06:002011-11-04T08:18:12.094-06:00Kyliel2013: I do not necessarily think that King H...Kyliel2013: I do not necessarily think that King Hamlet died because of Claudius's strong love for Gertrude. I think his motive was gaining power, but I think a part of him also wanted to be with Gertrude and was just a plus to killing the king.MollyBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09457668036067416732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-75703122660892065892011-11-04T08:18:07.087-06:002011-11-04T08:18:07.087-06:00Alexa: if Gertrude was in on the murder then why w...Alexa: if Gertrude was in on the murder then why would king hamlet not want the queen to be harmed? you could say that he wouldn't know about Gertrude's betrayal but he is a ghost and he can see what is happening. what do you think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-54507220369413074862011-11-04T08:18:05.822-06:002011-11-04T08:18:05.822-06:00Conor: I think it's possible that Horatio migh...Conor: I think it's possible that Horatio might also betray Hamlet especially if he is bribed.AndrewOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11850842934637058967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-51680310424041524432011-11-04T08:17:51.709-06:002011-11-04T08:17:51.709-06:00Alexa: I really don't think that Gertrude was ...Alexa: I really don't think that Gertrude was in on the murder, first I don't think that Shakespeare would give a woman that much power. Second I think that it would have revealed that portion of the story. I believe that Gertrude was originally in love with King Hamlet, but fell out of love and fell of Claudius. So when King Hamlet passed away it wasn't such a big deal to remarry so fast.MitchBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025549675464496023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-6542783847259118902011-11-04T08:17:44.088-06:002011-11-04T08:17:44.088-06:00Kylie: I think there was some motives of helping h...Kylie: I think there was some motives of helping her son but I also think that there might be other reason why she married. I think that she probably has some secrets that has not been revealed yet.NgocNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07291495397082369843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-33996706435332978842011-11-04T08:17:04.033-06:002011-11-04T08:17:04.033-06:00Class: In the inner circle they are discussing the...Class: In the inner circle they are discussing the competition between Claudius and the old king Hamlet. Where else do we see competition in the play? Do you think there is a competition for Gertrude's attention?kinzerinz https://www.blogger.com/profile/06090398967528852993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-71667779266547532342011-11-04T08:16:45.822-06:002011-11-04T08:16:45.822-06:00kyliel:I feel like there is something more to the ...kyliel:I feel like there is something more to the marriage. The king remembers that they were always flirting with each other and he never noticed. I think they married out of love. I would even go as far to say that they might have been having an affair with each other previous to the kings death. I feel like the marriage was out of love, not a practical motive like that she needed help to lead. Shakespeare would not put a women in a position of power like a ruler of a country so I think it was not the reason for the marriage. I do believe that she did play a big role in the decision of marriage, i feel that she loves Claudius.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-73671824190995538882011-11-04T08:15:04.898-06:002011-11-04T08:15:04.898-06:00Class: Rosencrantz and Guildenstern were Hamlets b...Class: Rosencrantz and Guildenstern were Hamlets best friends and they betrayed him by visiting him to spy on him for the king. Do you think that Horatio would be as willing to betray hamlet as the two mentioned above?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-129115039742882282011-11-04T08:14:42.971-06:002011-11-04T08:14:42.971-06:00Katy: I definitely think this is a comment on wome...Katy: I definitely think this is a comment on women. I think Shakespeare uses that to show how women are weak and powerless. I think he is saying that women have no will and no morals and will marry whoever is available.kinzerinz https://www.blogger.com/profile/06090398967528852993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-90586859248641691042011-11-04T08:14:21.077-06:002011-11-04T08:14:21.077-06:00Kylie: Hamlets mother may not be the most direct l...Kylie: Hamlets mother may not be the most direct link to the throne. If the Old Hamlet was King by Birth, then some people could think that Claudius is a better match to the throne because of his blood. This way, Hamlet and his mother remain in power and the country is united by everyone being happy (except of course Old Hamlet and Hamlet)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-13750113568741154422011-11-04T08:14:12.343-06:002011-11-04T08:14:12.343-06:00MollyB: Good point. So along with that Gertrude ma...MollyB: Good point. So along with that Gertrude may have gained a sort of love for Claudius after they became married and King Hamlet did die because of Claudius' strong love for her. Do you agree?kyliel2013https://www.blogger.com/profile/03814372072357861860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-88770339871158816522011-11-04T08:14:02.599-06:002011-11-04T08:14:02.599-06:00Alexa, I don't think Gertrude was in on the mu...Alexa, I don't think Gertrude was in on the murder. That wouldn't help her in any way with her position in life unless she didn't like King Hamlet. But I don't think that is the case.jackbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04657854325262365333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-32974349890928285112011-11-04T08:13:16.319-06:002011-11-04T08:13:16.319-06:00Alexa: That is a tricky question that I think Haml...Alexa: That is a tricky question that I think Hamlet is faced with right now in the play. If he trusts everyone, then he gets lied to and never knows the real truth, but if he trusts everyone, he might not care or realize that he is being lied to. But if he doesn't trust anyone, he might push away the people who are actually trustworthy and he can rely on. I personally believe that it is better to be trusting unless the trust is broken. What do you think?kinzerinz https://www.blogger.com/profile/06090398967528852993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-30177002841459027222011-11-04T08:12:37.950-06:002011-11-04T08:12:37.950-06:00Kylie: I do not think that the Queen needing help ...Kylie: I do not think that the Queen needing help to rule was an excuse for her marriage. If she really needed that I'm sure that Claudius could have been that for her but not as her husband. Then Hamlet could also have come back to her and they could have ruled as a family. I don't think that was an actual option, however, because Shakespeare portrays women as ignorant so she probably saw nothing strange in the fact that her brother in law wanted to marry her and only looked at the option of having a king for Denmark.annaqhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14695051610203941630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-24882344112071120322011-11-04T08:12:30.455-06:002011-11-04T08:12:30.455-06:00Kylie: I kind of agree with Maddie because of Shak...Kylie: I kind of agree with Maddie because of Shakespeare's view on women. Also, if her husband just died, why would she all of the sudden marry his brother?<br /><br />Class: Is the fact that Gertrude married her dead husbands brother, two weeks after her husband died another example of Shakespeare's view on women, showing a negative side on how a woman would act in that situation?Katy Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17233133882654303343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-35318900340785265362011-11-04T08:12:23.465-06:002011-11-04T08:12:23.465-06:00Kylie2013: I think that Gertrude was in a time of ...Kylie2013: I think that Gertrude was in a time of denial and therefore married Claudius. However, in the last fishbowl we discussed that Claudius actually feels strongly about Hamlet's mother and does love her, or atleast his words towards her are expressed as compassionate. I think that Claudius had feelings for Gertrude before the king died, and that was a plus for Claudius in murdering the king.MollyBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09457668036067416732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-67326616759534474662011-11-04T08:12:17.539-06:002011-11-04T08:12:17.539-06:00Ngoc: So you do think that there were motives ther...Ngoc: So you do think that there were motives there made by Gertrude to help her son?kyliel2013https://www.blogger.com/profile/03814372072357861860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-91726296182610084632011-11-04T08:12:16.786-06:002011-11-04T08:12:16.786-06:00Connor: I think that Hamlets inaction will lead to...Connor: I think that Hamlets inaction will lead to his downfall. He will kill the king but it will be to late and it will cause the tragic end and lead to the downfall of most of the characters.sam mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05924394630640978388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-62902199022684257882011-11-04T08:12:07.687-06:002011-11-04T08:12:07.687-06:00Kylie, I believe the only reason Hamlet's moth...Kylie, I believe the only reason Hamlet's mother married Claudius was to keep her high honor. If she didn't marry Claudius she would be on the streets since she wouldn't know what to do since she had been married to King Hamlet. So it really wasn't her decision.jackbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04657854325262365333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-27388661349621511752011-11-04T08:11:39.417-06:002011-11-04T08:11:39.417-06:00Kylie: I feel that Claudius and Gertrude probably ...Kylie: I feel that Claudius and Gertrude probably were trying to be together long before the king died. It's kind of like Macbeth in their plan to kill the king except that Gertrude and Claudius, weren't married when they planned it. So this could be a common theme of ShakespeareCoryPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02875461009153625155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-82348224907139509922011-11-04T08:11:35.097-06:002011-11-04T08:11:35.097-06:00Class: Connor just brought up a very good poin in ...Class: Connor just brought up a very good poin in the middle circle. Do you guys think that Gertrude was in on the murder?Alexa fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13489869555360374661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-308320159076713287.post-54264244243075974302011-11-04T08:10:54.998-06:002011-11-04T08:10:54.998-06:00Kylie: Hamlet's mother probably didn't rea...Kylie: Hamlet's mother probably didn't really have a choice because there is a kingdom that she has to rule over but Hamlet is still too young to do it himself, so being a mother she thought it probably would be better to just marry someone else who care for the country till Hamlet is able to do it himself.NgocNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07291495397082369843noreply@blogger.com