Class: How do you think Hamlet feels when he realizes he has killled polonius instead of Claudius?
Class: We talked about in class that critics argue about when Hamlet goes crazy in the play, if he goes crazy at all. Do you think he has snapped so far in the play? If so, where and what makes you think so.
Kinsey: I don't think that Hamlet has gone crazy at all because all of his actions so far seem to be extremely thought out and intellegent. He truly does manipulate everyone around him so he can go for Claudius. He even manipulated his mother to be at least nuetral if not on Hamlet's side.
Madeline: How I understood the situation, it seemed as though he is not thinking much of what he has done to Polonius, he is too wrapped up in his conversation with his mom because he is mad about her decisions that have created the actions she has taken towards Claudius. So he is too wrapped up in that situation to worry about the death he just caused.
Madeline-I think Hamlet knows what he did was a big mistake but I don't think he feels the emotions a sane person would feel if they had accidentally killed an innocent person.
Madeline: I think that Hamlet feels a little bad for killing Polonius instead of Claudius because he didn't mean to kill Polonius . However, it didn't seem that he was too upset about killing Polonius because he didn't seem to care too much after he found out it was Polonius instead of Claudius.
Class: After this mistake of killing Polonius, do we think that it will be easier for him to kill Claudius now that he has already murdered someone else? This is sorta what they have talked about in the inner circle...
Cory: I agree to an extent, but I think his passion may have gotten the better of him. He is so set on killing Claudius, that he randomly stabbed a curtain hoping to kill him, that he doesn't rationally think that it may be anyone else and ends up killing an innocent bystander. I think he is still sane, but he is quickly becoming too passionate to rationally deal with the situation. What do you think?
Kylie: I think it will be easier. I think that he was just afraid to dive right in, but since he already has murdered Polonius, I think he will find it easier to kill his actual "target" so to speak. Since he took action for the first time, it will be easier down the road.
Kinsey: On your comment back to Cory. I just have to say that I do agree with you, and I think that he might be coming to passionate to deal with the situation as well, because especially after he killed Polonius, he doesn't even worry about what he has just done, he just continues on thinking about his problems with Claudius.
Kylie: If, and I feel this is up to Hamlet to decide, Hamlet is going to hell for killing Polonius then it will be extremely easy to kill Claudius. If on the other hand he for what ever reason convinces him self he isn't going to hell then it may pose a significant hinderance to Hamlet.
Kinsey- I agree with you. I dont think that Hamlet is crazy at all but i think that his surroundings are making him seem a little delusional. Everyone else around him seems to be acting somewhat crazy too. Hamlet is the sane one but his emotions come out too strong
Kinsey: I personally think that he has snapped because during the scene with his mom he acts out of the ordinary that even his mom thinks he has gone insane. I also don't think that being smart means you can't be insane.
Cory: So I guess the question comes up then, do you think that Hamlet is going to hell because of killing Polonius? I almost want to say he doesn't even consider that when he finds out that it was Polonius because otherwise I would have thought he would have regretted his decision more.
Madeline: After Hamlet killed polonius he never actually thinks twice about it, polonius had been spying on Hamlet and relaying info to the king. why should Hamlet be worried if he killed polonius? His mother and anyone else who will find out Hamlet killed polonius will brush it off because they think Hamlet is crazy. Plus, Hamlet won't need to worry wether or not he is going to hell when he kills claudius.
Kinsey: I don't think Hamlet is crazy in the slightest. He seems very in control of his actions, and continues to make logical, rational choices. I don't think he will ever go crazy because I think that killing his uncle is the least crazy thing Hamlet could do. The only crazy thing Hamlet has done so far is hesitating to kill his uncle.
Molly- From what you said earlier about Hamlet being cowardly seems very true. I also think he feels unable to kill him face to face. But now since he's already killed someone it will feel less harsh to him to do it again, and he wont have an emotional connection to killing another person.
Kylie: I think that it will be easier for Hamlet to kill Claudius after killing Polonius because he seemed so ready to take Claudius's life when he was praying but decided not to. I think that the fact that Hamlet didn't kill Claudius when he had the chance sort of relates back to the idea that Hamlet can't act. Even though he didn't kill him yet, I still think that the death of Polonius makes killing Claudius easier for Hamlet.
Corey- Do you think that since he already killed someone he may feel that killing another will ensure himself going to hell?
Kylie: I agree. How do you think Hamlet's passion will be taken out on his mother? Do you think she will be collateral damage or will he respect his father's wishes and leave her alone.
Madeline: I think that Hamlet was probably mad that he killed Polonius instead of Cladius, yet also he doesn't care. When he found out it was Polonius that he killed he wasn't too concerned.
Class: Do you think that the fact he snapped on his mom will be a downfall to Hamlet in the future? and What do you think is the reason his dad told Hamlet not to take his anger out on his mom?
Madeline: I don't think he really thought much about it. When Hamlet was harassing Ophelia he asked where her father was so Polonius was spying on him too, so that's one less person to make his life miserable.
Sam: So your arguing that taking orders from a ghost to commit a deadly sin is the most sane thing Hamlet could do? Why do you think so?
Kinsey- I think Hamlet will make it known to his mother how angry he is about her actions, but I think he will respect his fathers wish and will leave her alone.
Jeffrey: Good point about the idea that he can't act...so maybe since he did act by mistake, having this experience of killing him, would make it easier for him to kill yet another person. Because this wouldn't be the first time he has done this.
Ngoc: His dad told him to not take anger out on her because of Shakespeare's view of women in the way that God should deal with them.
Kinsey and Kylie: I agree on the point that Hamlet is becoming extremely emotionally involved but after killing Polonius why would he be worried he may truly think that he caught Polonius in a sin in working for Claudius and feels that it was the murder of a pawn in the game. Yes he is emotionally involved but I think we need more significant insight into Hamlets head and unless we get another speech in Act four we may never know. It seems left unto the interpretuer on how this reads.
I dont think that it even mattered to hamlet who he was stabbing through the curtains at the time. Obviously he has some anger built up and he needed to take it out somehow. Maybe him thinking that it was claudius behind the curtians was just a cover up for him thrashing out with his anger.
Ngoc: Also keep in mind that he wants to convince everyone that he is crazy, including his mother. So the fact that she thinks he is insane may be part of his plan. And I agree, but he still making rational decisions. He could be making them out of an insane place in his mind, but he still seems to be in control of the situation.
Ngoc: So I guess I think that perhaps he did have some sort of relationship with his mom,and perhaps she could help him seek revenge on Claudius...do you agree? I am not sure why else his father would want him to technically stay on good terms with his mom...
Kylie: I do think that it will be easier for Hamlet to kill another person; but by what means? I think that emotionally the death of Polonius has no effect on Hamlet.I think the death of polonius showed Hamlet how vital his actions are towards the outcome of this whole situation.Hamlets options are running out, especially since Claudius is aware of his Knowledge.
Class: Do you think that Gertrude knows that Claudius killed King Hamlet? Why and or Why not?
Kinsey: Well Hamlet admits to his mom that he is only acting insane that there is a reason behind everything he is doing. I also see what you are saying. Hamlet still does seem to be sane but I think he is getting closer and closer to losing his insanity.
Class: Is there any significance to have the dumb show before the actual play? Does the dumb show represent something?
Class- How is it that Hamlet is crazy when now we know his father actually told him about his death, he made a play re-enacting the death, and Cladious had a reaction. I don't think Hamlet is insane because he didn't just imagine his father appearing.
Kylie: I think it will be easier because he has already killed someone and is already going to hell because no matter who he kills, killing is still a sin so he might as well kill Claudius.
Ngoc: His mother is still innocent in the ghost eyes and has nothing against him that is why he says let god take care of him. I do think it will be a major down fall because it shows there relation ship falling apart.
Kinsey: Hamlet has gone through some traumatic experiences, and after you lose a close relative your mental state will change a little bit. I think Hamlet knows he is a little bit crazy and he takes it to another extent to trick people. Since, Hamlet has been asked to kill somebody he has another thing to worry about and another reason to act insane. It seems to me Hamlet is overwhelmed and has to do things that seem insane to take care of hat needs to be done.
Connor: Well what do you think these emotions are with Claudius, because I don't think that he feels emotionally connected to him, I think throughout the whole thing the main thing he has been worried about is the concept of heaven and hell, and how he would be able to do what his father asked without going to hell.
Kinsey: He is not just take orders from a ghost. He took the time to prove his uncle's guilt and that is why i think is is sane for Hamlet to kill his uncle.
Dani: Hamlet is playing a game. He wants everyone to think he is insane. He isn't actually going crazy in that way but all the problems are taking a toll on him.
Cory: I think that Gertrude has a little bit of understanding about who killed Claudius, but I don't think she knows that it was Claudius. I think that she seems so blind to the whole situation of Hamlet acting insane that she doesn't notice how Claudius is acting around Hamlet.
Kinsey: I definitely think that the dumb show represents the ignorance of the way King Hamlet's murder was carried out. The only people that know how King Hamlet was murdered are Hamlet and Claudius. This relates to the dumb show because after it is over the Queen and Ophelia and most of the audience do not understand why it happened or what the dumb show was even about. Therefore, the dumb show definitely relates to how the people do not know anything about their kings death.
Class: What is Hamlet trying to do in his confrontation with his mother? It is possible that he wants her to confirm her knowledge of Claudius’s crime? or to provide further proof of his involvement in the crime? do you think he might be looking to see if his mother was part of the murder? Would there be some other reason for him to talk to his mother like this?
Kinsey: I think that Hamlet wanted to see how guilty Claudius is, he wanted to see if Claudius would recognize the actions before it was performed in earnest. He wanted to see Claudius's reactions to both separate parts of the play.
Kinsey- I do think that the dumb show did have a significance because it shows what happened with no words like it actually did. It represents how no one is speaking up for their responsibilities and everything is almost an act in real life.
Kylie: You have a very interesting thought there. I don't fully agree but I can see Gertrude killing Claudius because of what she heard from Hamlet. She might also spoil Hamlet's plan because she doesn't want him to be the way he is now too.
Class:How do you think that Hamlets relationship with his mother reflects his sanity?
Cory: I can see both sides. It depends on how you view the women in this play. If you view Gertrude as we think Shakespeare did, then no I think she doesn't know. If she is seen as a weak and powerless character, she would have no way of knowing and Claudius would not tell her because he doesn't want to ruin her virtuous mind. But if you view Gertrude the way I do, as a smart and intelligent character with some control on the situation, then yes I think she has an idea. I think she knew, and didn't do anything to stop it. It makes her character so much more interesting because instead of just being a pawn to Claudius, she becomes an adult who can make her own decisions. I personally think that she knows about the murder, but has chosen not to confront Claudius or do anything about it.
Kinsey: I think that perhaps the dumb play is important because it shows the situation without the fake scenario, this part could more quickly reflect on the king because no other names or people are given, just simply the situation is presented. So it might affect him more as he is not sure who they are referencing.
Cory: I think that Gertrude knows a little bit about the killing Claudius, and will soon find out who it was.
Class: If the ghost of Hamlet can appear visible to only a few select people why is Gertrude not able to see the ghost? Is this done by king Hamlet to maintain Hamlets plan of being crazy?
Joe- I think that Hamlet seems to act most crazy around his mother because she is in the middle of the whole situation Hamlet is dealing with. She sees the angry side of him and how what she did really corrupted him.
Kinsey: I like your view of Gertrude but for some reason I just can't see Gertrude as an active role in anything she is either playing the extremel dumb and naive or she's totolly involved in it which reveals where Hamlet gets his deception. But I just have this gut feeling that Gertrude is either Naive or just plain ignorant.
Kylie; I feel his main emotions towards this situation is raw fear. I think your exactly right regarding how "stuck" hamlet is. He is battling the concept of Heaven and Hell which has been exposed to him his whole life probably even through his father himself. I think that has a prominent effect on Hamlets decision making process because Hamlet should be struck be fear when thinking of going to hell, but at the same time the thought of disregarding his father scares him as well. I would say fear is the driving factor towards Hamlets actions, not anger which is also an appropriate emotion to indulge given Hamlets situation.
Conor:Hamlet is very frustrated with his mother, not just for marrying his uncle soon after his father’s death but the fact his mother can't see that Claudius is not a good man and he killed her husband. Gertrude is as responsible for Hamlets craziness as Claudius is.
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Conor- I think that Gertrude cant see the ghost because she cant fully see what she did wrong. She doesnt see the effect on Hamlet on her decisions. She is oblivious to the fact that most of Hamlets insanity comes from her actions.
ConorM: I think he is very arngry with his mother and he cannot let her not know the true horror of her actions. The Ghost tells Hamlet not to confront his mother but Hamlet is so mad at his Mom he feels he has to make her fell guilt.
Connor: We have been saying how women are weak according to Shakespeare so I think that the reason Gertrude can't see the ghost is because she doesn't want to. I think that if King Hamlet were to show himself to Gertrude that she won't be able to take it and might do something drastic. Gertrude is still in denial of her husband's death so I think she is avoiding the situation instead of facing it.
Connor: I agree that it might just be raw fear. This could also link back to his flaw of having all of these ideas of what to do but cannot take action...perhaps he can't take action because he is afraid of consequences.
Connor: I think that the reason Gertrude can't see the ghost is because she doesn't see the whole picture yet. She doesn't see her mistake that she made with Claudius and she doesn't know that Claudius is the murderer of king Hamlet.
Conor: I think that it is King Hamlet's plan to keep the illusion of Hamlet's insanity. In the inner circle they talked about how it may prove his insanity, but I think he is still being rational but that just adds to his emotional distress.
Cory: I can see where you got that interpretation of Gertrude, I think that Shakespeare had the same intent. I agree to an extent. I haven't made up my mind about her. I want to believe that she is a powerful character with control on this situation, but I'm leaning more towards her as a weak character who is just a pawn to Claudius' scheme.
Class: How do you think Ophelia will react to Hamlet killing her father?
Kinsey: Do you think that King Hamlet is acting in a specific way and saying specific things to make hamlet go crazy because he knows that's the mindset he needs to have to kill someone? I say this because King Hamlet probably knows Hamlet the best out of anyone and knows which buttons to press.
Class: Shakespeare has eliminated Polonius who so far has really been the master mind behind the kings inqueries into Hamlet. Now that he is dead how will Claudius handle the situation and what will happen?
Katy: On one level, it will give them another commonality because both of their fathers were murdered out of rage, but I think it will be pretty hard to talk to her ex-boyfriend after he stabbed her father.
I think its on purpose that Shakespeare makes so many things revolve around these women, and make them important to the play but portray them as weak. He doesn't allow them to do things that show they are strong and can handle things for themselves.
ConorM: I think the ghost dose not appear to the Queen because the Ghost doesn't want to be mean to her. The ghost doesn't want to punish the queen for her actions and if he appeared to the Queen it would cause her a great deal of distress.
Joe: I think that as Hamlet's relationship with his mother gets worse, he becomes more insane. I think this because Hamlet feels very betrayed by his mother because she married Claudius. Then after Claudius convinces Gertrude more and more that Hamlet is crazy, she is going to believe what Hamlet has to say a lot less. This makes the bond between them a lot weaker.
If i was Ophelia, there would be no more Hamlet for me.
Class: We were talking briefly on Friday how all the kids in the book now have lost their dad so what do you think is the reason why Shakespeare did this?
Katy: I think that Ophelia will be very unsettled and angry with Hamlet. Also, Laertes is her brother and I think that she will tell him what has happened and I beleive that Laertes will want vengence for his father's death and will come after Hamlet.
Class:Do you think if Hamlet told Gertrude the truth that Claudius murdered King Hamlet she would side with Hamlet and try to take vengeance or side with her Husband the king? Would this make Hamlet seem even crazier to her?
Kinsey:I am not quite sure if I agree that it will bring them closer because they both have lost their fathers, or if it will cause them to have more distance in their relationship because of this action that Hamlet has taken, which has really disturbed Ophelia's family. If it did cause them to separate more I think this would help them to separate like the people advise they do.
Class: What do you think is Hamlets perspective on woman considering Ophelia and Gertrude?
Ngoc: I think Shakespeare brought in the bastard aspect to the story in order to create a sort of unity between all of the children. I think this may be to put Hamlet in the same boat as everyone else so that possibly they will all band together in some way to avenge their fathers' deaths.....
Katy: I would just like to ask you how you know and can tell that Ophelia will know its Hamlet I dont think that the Queen will tell she's too much of an emotional wreck. So how will she know?
Cory: We have already seen the king reach out to Rosencrantz and Gildenstern for information and asked them to observe Hamlet. I think he will still have several avenues for his inquiries into Hamlet's life and his behavior. However, I think it may become more difficult for Claudius to think rationally about Hamlet. Polonius served to guide him through dealing with this situation when Claudius has strong emotional attachments and his mind could become clouded with passion, just like Hamlet's. I think Claudius is conflicted with guilt and anger at Hamlet for pushing the guilt into his face. Polonius seemed to be the level head in that situation and without him, he may act out of passion just like Hamlet.
Cory- I think now that Polonius is dead, Claudius will begin to become extremely distressed not knowing what to do... It will bring him on the brink of insanity knowing Polonius is dead and that someone knows how King Hamlet has died.
Katy: I don't believe that Ophelia will be in a very good state after her fathers death. her father made all of the decisions for her as was normal for the time of the play and also shakespeares view of women plays into this. but also Ophelia has lost prince Hamlet who she deems as insane. Losing the love of her life and her father all in this short amount of time must have a large psychological effect on her.
Cory: I think the King will be unsure what to do because all the steps he took before Polonius' death was all Polonius' ideas. The king will now have to learn to find out things on his own instead of just using someone to do it for him.
Jere: It's kind of a toss up. On one side she couldn't believe him, and then he would be considered extremely crazy and of course Claudius would deny it. But on the other end if Hamlet told her how it happened and mentioned the play, she could believe him because of how Claudius reacted.
Connor: I definitely think that Hamlet's view on women is that he sees them a just a tool. Nothing more than that. He tries to convince Ophelia he is just acting crazy therefore she should go along with him. So he is just using her to make other people think he is still crazy but he's not..
Jeffery- i agree completely, i think because Hamlet killed, there is going to be some effects. Laertes is going to want to get back at Hamlet for killing his father. This whole book is just a game of who has more pride.
Jere: I think that if Hamlet told Gertrude that Claudius killed King Hamlet she would think that Hamlet is even more crazy because she seems so blind to the whole situation between Claudius and Hamlet that she wouldn't know the difference between the truth and the lies that Claudius has told.
Jere: so far throughout Hamlet Woman have played a neutral role regarding taking coarse of action but a major role regarding Hamlets sanity. I think the side Gertrude picks is going to be the last man standing.
Kylie: I'm not saying that she will feel closer to him. I'm saying that it just gives them another thing to have in common. They will probably be distant because if she does know, she will want nothing to do with him, and if she doesn't know Hamlet was the murderer then she will still be distant because she is grieving the loss of her father.
Cory: Touche, but how do you know that the Queen wont tell. Ophelia's father is dead, she is going to want to know who did it, someone will tell.
Madeline: So do you think that Ophelia will try to kill Hamlet to avenge her Dad then?
Ngoc: I think it has to do with what has happening in Shakespeare's life. As Smith told us, he had just lost his son, and he lived in a time when infant mortality was quite common. I think he is trying to help the audience relate to the pain he is feeling by having them imagine the loss of their father.
Kinsey: Ok, so you don't think she would go to him if she didn't know that he was the murderer? You think they are already that separated in their relationship, or are you just stating that you think because she would be grieving she would just out of instinct want to stand off and deal with it on her own?
jack- I believe its so famous because its something everyone in the world can relate too. Even though Hamlets problems he's dealing with now are way more extreme then what most people deal with, many people still question their own existence. Its so strong because he's considering ending his life, not feeling like he can get out of this mess. His emotions are so strong that he is considering ending it all.
Katy on your post back to Cory: Hamlet and Gertrude are the only one's who know that Hamlet killed him. She loves her son and may want to protect him so that may be why she wont tell. And if she doesn't no one else will know who committed the murder.
Ngoc: I think Shakespeare adds that everyones fathers die to represent that at that time it wasn't uncommon to lose your father, too Disease or in war. This adds to the fact the Hamlet could be crazy because you can look at others who also lost a father, and they have not done some of the things Hamlet does showing his insanity.
Ngoc: Funny point. I thought of that the minute after I posted that. And I think yes, MAYBE she will. But i do think she will be very mad at Hamlet, therefore she will probably screw over his plan to avenge his own father. This might be the way she is avenging her fathers death, holding information against Hamlet.
Ngoc- I dont think Ophelia will be the one to get back at Hamlet
Kylie: I don't think she will turn to him because of the way he treated her. He did a pretty good job of separating them by calling her a whore and telling her to go to a whore house. He also told her that he doesn't love her anymore. Since he treated her so poorly, she will not turn to him when her father dies.
Katy: You're assuming that the queen will be in any state to see or talk to anyone after the information that Hamlet has just told her. She has just come to the realization that not only did King Hamlet's brother kill him she went and married the murderer and then she slept with the man. She of her own accord has commited terrible atrocious sins that she now has to reconcile with.
Kinsey: Alright, so what do you think Ophelia will do? If no one will tell her who killed her father, what will she do?
Katy: I think she will just have to accept the fact that her father is gone and deal with not having any information. She will just have to start moving on in her life.
ConorM:I think he has a bad image of women because the tow women in his life are terrible. His mother left his father two months after his death, and Ophelia betrayed him to her father and the king.
Kinsey: If you think about it, just simply moving on in life after your father has died, without even knowing who killed him is pretty hard. Do you think she will turn out like Hamlet?
Kinsey- On your response to my qestion earlier; You state that Claudius used Polonius as a crutch and to me it seems that he used Polonius for a set of brains. From the beginning of the play it seems that Claudius has been driven by passion not only greed for the crown and kingdom but by passion for Gertrude. I have this feeling that Claudius has just completely lost his brains.